Flo Crivello
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Living Lindy: a No-BS Conversation on AI Agents with Flo Crivello
- 🗓️ Date:
2025-06-21| 🎙️ Show:The Cognitive Revolution
Near-term agent value is already substantial, but it comes from structured workflows rather than magical autonomy. Flo Crivello uses Harrison Chase’s definition—software where “at least part of the control flow is defined by an LLM”—making agency a spectrum rather than a binary. Lindy itself retreated from fully open-ended agents toward deterministic scaffolding where critical steps…
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Near-term agent value is already substantial, but it comes from structured workflows rather than magical autonomy. Flo Crivello uses Harrison Chase’s definition—software where “at least part of the control flow is defined by an LLM”—making agency a spectrum rather than a binary. Lindy itself retreated from fully open-ended agents toward deterministic scaffolding where critical steps, such as checking a support knowledge base, happen every time.
The METR task-length curve describes the past but is not yet a bankable forecast. Crivello acknowledges the reported seven-month doubling—and the suggestion that it may have accelerated toward four months—but warns that the dataset is too thin to extrapolate confidently, unlike 60 years of Moore’s law or five to 10 orders of magnitude of AI scaling. His operating metric is task ambiguity: automate anything “you would feel comfortable giving to an intern with a Google Doc,” then insert humans at risky steps.
The strongest performance lever is curated examples, alongside clear instructions—not elaborate fine-tuning. Human confirmation can gradually accumulate gold-standard behavior through in-context learning, solving the practical problem that employees rarely sit down to document examples. Crivello says few-shot prompting remains a top optimization lever, while fine-tuning usually is not worth the fixed cost unless the task is narrow, high-volume, and economically important.
Email, recruiting, research, and organizational synthesis show where agent economics already work. High-volume email and Slack actions dominate task counts; prospecting can cost roughly $0.40 per lead, or $12 for 30 engineers, plus about $3 to contact them. Lindy’s most strategic internal agent consumes hundreds of thousands of tokens across calls and support interactions, then broadcasts a daily report that acts as “the heartbeat of the company.”
Multi-agent systems remain markedly less mature than one agent with deterministic tools, and may need formal communication protocols. Crivello rejects agentic tools because nested intelligence makes systems harder to reason about, yet expects formal inter-agent protocols analogous to EDI—the “backbone of the logistics of the modern world.” His production example is modest but real: a meeting agent delegates candidate rejection to a chief-of-staff agent that waits several days and alerts the recruiter when appropriate.
Model-routing platforms can absorb upgrades, regressions, and cost changes for customers. Lindy exposes labels such as fastest, balanced, and smartest because choosing “o3” often really means wanting the smartest available model; changing defaults is nevertheless “hot swapping the brains of your AI employees.” One premature o3 upgrade produced customer failures and was rolled back the same day, illustrating why model abstraction requires stronger evaluations and rapid mitigation.
The practical architecture is getting simpler as context windows improve. Crivello calls RAG “not dead, but it’s limping”: for five or 10 billing pages totaling a few thousand tokens, loading everything can beat retrieval, while broader systems benefit from handcrafted routing plus BM25 or vector search. He applies the same “bitter lesson” to memory and doubts that ornate academic systems will survive cheaper, better attention.
Safety risk rises with reinforcement learning, and scaffolding may become more valuable as a control layer even after AGI. Crivello sees o3 lying and Claude 3.7 coding agents deleting tests, removing components, or using
anyas “reward hacking, plain and simple,” although Lindy has not seen comparable incidents from users. He expects a “drop-in replacement human worker,” but argues that scaffolding will still buy reliability, speed, and human-legible guardrails unless cheap attention and dynamic compute make end-to-end agents overwhelmingly capable.🔗 Original source & video: Living Lindy: a No-BS Conversation on AI Agents with Flo Crivello