Devon Zuegel: How To Create A New Town - [Invest Like the Best, EP.413]
Summary
- Esmeralda rests on the thesis that environments quietly govern behavior, from whether a visible phone gets checked to whether friends meet spontaneously or require a calendar invitation. Cheap space can also change what gets created: Devon Zuegel contrasts Manhattan restaurants that need rapid table turnover with roomy Nebraska diners, and relays one theory involving apocryphal California startup garages: warm, extra-cheap space attached to homes may have supported physical experimentation. “How do I shape my environment so that it shapes me in the ways that I want?”
- Zuegel is building a modern California counterpart to Chautauqua, the roughly 8,000-person town whose nine-week summer season has combined lectures, workshops, theater, opera, and a symphony for about 150 years. Her version adds multigenerational, walkable living and shifts the culture from consuming expertise toward creating companies, art, and research. The model is peer-to-peer rather than “sage on the stage”: not merely hearing Jane Goodall speak, but having her live nearby and lead local children on an expedition.
- Edge Esmeralda is both a prototype and a community-and-feedback layer for a town whose physical build will take years. The 30-day Healdsburg pop-up drew 1,300 people last year, anchors each day with an optional communal dinner, and lets attendees program an unconference themselves. Its best surprise—a volunteer-built set of solar A-frames that grew into a campsite and solar-powered night market—demonstrated how a well-designed “container” can turn deferred projects into collective action.
- Local trust is being treated as development infrastructure, built before Zuegel’s team has even purchased the land. Edge was a multi-million-dollar event that brought thousands of visitors and millions of dollars of business into Sonoma County, while panels with the Healdsburg and Cloverdale city managers exposed prospective residents to regional concerns. One local preparing a “Don’t colonize Healdsburg” sign attended the first event, became the month’s most frequent participant, and ultimately volunteered—evidence for Zuegel that trust is “more like tending a garden.”
- The walkability opportunity comes from a coordination failure: cars let each household trade access for more space, but those individually rational moves collectively thin out nearby amenities. Zuegel is “not anti-car”; she likens cars to horses—useful and enjoyable, but a poor object around which to organize an entire city. At Las Catalinas, 1,000 of 1,200 acres are reserved as rainforest, while the first car-free 20 developed acres already hold about 200 homes, 10 restaurants, and a hotel, showing how much land conventional vehicle circulation consumes.
- Financing must match risk: Esmeralda strongly prefers all equity for raw land, may use equity or debt for infrastructure, and expects conventional mortgages to become useful once finished homes can fit lenders’ boxes. Debt holders receive interest but none of a project’s extraordinary upside, making them structurally conservative and comp-dependent; early leverage also puts a “ticking clock” on years of approvals and construction before cash flow. Fee-simple lots and zero-lot-line homes preserve an unusual urban form while simplifying ownership for mortgage lenders.
- The economic case may be strong, but the capital-duration mismatch and infrastructure budget are the gating constraints. Zuegel thinks Chautauqua homes sell for roughly 2x nearby homes and says comparable town builders have produced large returns, including on an IRR basis, yet conventional real-estate funds often need capital back in five to seven years while towns can require 10, 15, or 20. Even basic roads and utilities are “astronomical”; a 10% infrastructure overrun might separate a successful project from failure, while patient capital could turn Esmeralda into an existence proof for a repeatable category.
Deep dive
1. Environment is a behavioral operating system
Zuegel’s obsession began with noticing that office floor plans change team interaction, weather changes how often she ventures outside, and street layouts determine whether she walks or drives. Her smallest experiment is decisive: leave the phone visible and she checks it every few minutes; hide it behind the monitor and “I’ll just forget that it even exists.”
Distance alters relationships in stages. A friend on the same block may receive an unplanned Saturday knock; at a ten-minute walk, a text comes first; at 20 minutes, the encounter becomes a scheduled Friday-night appointment. Zuegel therefore tries to place the people, food, and activities she values physically close to her.
The cost of space supplies another behavioral gradient. Expensive Manhattan restaurants need diners to leave so tables can turn, while a Nebraska diner may tolerate hours of conversation. Zuegel relays a theory she has heard, invoking apocryphal California startup garages: warm, effectively free workspace may have supported physical experimentation that a freezing East Coast garage could not.
2. Chautauqua supplied the product brief for a new town
Chautauqua, where Zuegel’s grandmother lives, is an approximately 8,000-person western New York town built about 150 years ago. Its nine-week summer season resembles a multigenerational college campus, combining workshops and lectures with a symphony orchestra, opera, and active theater; Zuegel grew up returning every summer, sometimes sharing a home across three or four generations.
The project began five years ago when her husband asked, “Why aren’t there more places like Chautauqua? Why is this the only one?” Zuegel had been “a fish in water,” but the question led her to conclude that she should build a modern version in California, where her family, friends, and network already live.
Patrick’s challenge—why do Americans build luxury compounds and large subdivisions but rarely normal new towns?—elicits both a practical and philosophical answer. Construction itself “is not rocket science,” but town creation has fallen outside the category of normal ambition as the physical frontier closed and an “end of history” sensibility spread. Yet every existing town once needed its first resident and first infrastructure.
3. Esmeralda adds production, peers, and childhood independence
The intended resident can live near children, parents, and grandparents in a community where young people move independently on foot and neighbors share a high level of trust. Its defining values are lifelong learning, invention, and building—businesses, artworks, and research—rather than housing as an isolated private product.
Zuegel preserves Chautauqua’s intellectual culture but wants to tilt it from absorbing information toward action. She also wants to move from an expert-audience hierarchy toward a network of practitioners: not Jane Goodall arriving to deliver a lecture on chimpanzees, but Goodall belonging to the community and organizing an expedition with its children. “It’s not sage on the stage.”
Streets are the town’s most consequential physical element because their interfaces with buildings and public spaces establish its feel. There is no universally correct plan: the right setbacks, street forms, and facilities depend on whether a place is intended for manufacturing, relaxation, one generation, or multigenerational life.
She distinguishes a real town from large subdivisions built at town scale: without public spaces or somewhere to walk, they are mostly homes rather than a community with a downtown and shared places.
4. Edge Esmeralda compresses years of development into a 30-day prototype
The permanent “hardware” is functionally conventional real-estate development—roads, utilities, buildings, public spaces, lecture halls, and pavilions—but the social “software” can run before construction. Edge Esmeralda occupies Healdsburg, 15 minutes south of the intended property, for 30 days each summer; last year it attracted 1,300 attendees, with many staying a month and others joining for a week or weekend.
Optional nightly community dinners create one dependable point of convergence, borrowing the dining-hall logic of a college campus: residents can skip it, but always know where they might find friends and an interesting table. The wider program is an unconference in which organizers supply venues and audiovisual equipment while attendees schedule everything from neurotechnology presentations to yoga.
The unconference’s signature surprise began when Nick Foley asked the group chat for help building solar-panel-topped A-frame camping shelters. A volunteer crew, including Anson Yu, developed the project through the month until it became a redwood campsite and a solarpunk night market where people cooked and celebrated using solar power.
5. Local trust is being earned before the land is purchased
California development often meets immediate resistance, so Zuegel entered as a community organizer rather than as an outside developer announcing what would be bulldozed. Her team had not yet closed on the land, but had already staged a multi-million-dollar event, brought thousands of people and millions of dollars of business into Sonoma County, and collaborated with local artists and restaurateurs.
Edge panels featuring the city managers of Healdsburg and Cloverdale let officials discuss their experience in local government while exposing prospective residents to the region’s opportunities and constraints. This is not merely communications work: local concerns can change the plans before they harden. Trust, Zuegel says, is “more like tending a garden”—planted through repeated proof rather than demanded on day one.
The sharpest test came from a local preparing a “Don’t colonize Healdsburg” sign for a city-council meeting. He decided to attend the first event, ultimately joined more sessions than anyone else, volunteered for errands, and made introductions. Zuegel does not claim everyone can be persuaded, but argues that apparent enemies often have overlapping goals obscured by uncertainty about the project.
6. Cars expanded opportunity while weakening the walkability equilibrium
Zuegel’s position is deliberately not anti-car: “I think of cars the way I think of horses,” as enjoyable tools with legitimate applications that need not dictate the shape of every settlement. Like railroads before them, cars opened previously inaccessible land, gave households more space, and created a new suburban frontier.
The trade-off is geometric. People want large private spaces and simultaneous access to friends, jobs, and amenities, but proximity supplies the latter by limiting the former. Cars enabled individually sensible moves toward more space; each move also reduced the opportunities and interesting activity in the core, changing the equilibrium for residents who would willingly exchange a smaller home for greater access.
She does not argue that everyone wants density—many genuinely prefer rural or suburban life—but believes demand for walkable communities exceeds supply. The constraint is coordination: a household cannot unilaterally create the nearby friends, shops, and jobs that make its preferred trade worthwhile.
7. Las Catalinas reveals how much valuable land automobiles consume
Las Catalinas comprises 1,200 acres on Costa Rica’s west coast, approximately the scale of Golden Gate Park or Central Park. Its plan reserves 1,000 acres as rainforest and develops 200 as an Italian-style hill town; only 20 acres have been built so far, yet they contain roughly 200 homes, 10 restaurants, and a hotel.
Zuegel arrived skeptical that the initial phase could function entirely without cars. Instead, removing them allowed residences and amenities to sit dramatically closer together because cars and getting them around ordinarily consume “an incredible amount of space.” She preserves the legitimate cases—emergency access and grocery drop-offs—but wants the underlying land trade-off made explicit.
Las Catalinas strengthened her preference for testing extreme cases: she expected a fully car-free neighborhood to hit practical limits much earlier than it did. That experience supports more car-free or car-light areas at Esmeralda without requiring the categorical elimination of vehicles.
8. Planning should secure shared systems without freezing local evolution
Historic towns often developed organically into winding, human-scale networks, “more like a garden that’s been left to overgrow.” That process also produced severe failures—dense settlements with cholera in the water system—so Zuegel accepts the need to plan clean water and connected transportation networks in advance.
Her critique is that the corrective overshot. Cities began specifying hallway widths, setbacks, and other granular features across huge geographies, reducing the experimentation through which places adapt. Her federalist rule is to push decisions to the lowest workable level, reserving centralized control for problems that genuinely require a shared solution.
Real estate makes correcting mistakes unusually difficult. Zuegel could change her website in 20 seconds and notes that software can deploy in three, but “nothing in real estate takes 20 seconds. Nothing.” Pouring concrete before learning whether the plan generates the intended community would lock in an expensive error.
She also sees tools for thought as environments to think in, analogous to cities as environments to live in. Her highly optimized email inbox, with hotkeys, counters, and points, has become a video game that draws her toward email even when other work may matter more. Lower friction is not always better; it biases behavior toward whatever is easiest.
Edge therefore doubles as a feedback mechanism: Healdsburg’s central plaza reliably gathers people, while wide, fast Healdsburg Avenue makes crossing feel barely worthwhile. Traveling neighborhoods add another test—about 20 people spent a week together at Las Catalinas—because visiting alone cannot simulate how a place functions with one’s actual community.
9. Mortgages and property taxes quietly lock in the built status quo
Debt’s payoff is asymmetric: a lender receives principal plus interest when an experiment succeeds but may lose principal when it fails. With no extraordinary upside, lenders rationally demand comparable properties and resist “crazy new” ideas. Thirty-year exposure magnifies that conservatism because the country and world can change radically before repayment.
Zuegel traces the modern structure to Depression-era balloon loans, sometimes around five years long, that came due when refinancing disappeared. The Federal Housing Administration and institutions such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pursued the laudable goal of long-term housing stability, but their national eligibility rules also embedded one era’s preferences and weakened evolutionary variation.
She describes California’s 1970s Proposition 13 as limiting annual property-tax increases to, she thinks, no more than 2%. While property tax is often around 1% of value annually, long-held California property can carry a much lower effective burden after appreciation, muting the signal to use valuable land productively. She presents this descriptively, not normatively.
Her concrete example is a vacant central San Francisco lot in a place where people pay thousands of dollars a month for poor apartments. Because its owner had held it for decades and faced little carrying cost, it could remain empty indefinitely. The low carrying cost deadens the price signal and shapes how people use scarce space.
10. Town economics reward patience more readily than fund structures do
Esmeralda divides financing into land, infrastructure, and vertical development. The team strongly prefers purchasing raw land entirely with equity because approvals and cash flow remain distant and debt starts a “ticking clock.” Infrastructure is less risky once land and permissions exist; the team is considering both debt and investors willing to fund land plus infrastructure entirely with equity.
Mortgages become more attractive near the finished-home stage, where they expand affordability and tactical choices can fit lenders’ boxes. Fee-simple lots simplify ownership, while zero-lot-line homes can resemble townhouses without shared walls. These conventions let an unconventional urban plan “fit cleanly into a mortgage lender’s box.”
Zuegel initially doubted Chautauqua was a good business until Zillow suggested, in her estimate, that its homes sell for about 2x those just outside. Serenbe, Seaside, Trilith, Seabrook, and Las Catalinas reinforced her conclusion that when people build this way, they make more money; rich public places cost more upfront but can command substantially more than another “ticky-tacky box” in years five or 10.
The mismatch is duration, not necessarily return. Real-estate funds often promise capital back in five to seven years; town projects may need 10, 15, or 20 years to return capital, so successful examples often rely on a wealthy family or long-horizon landowner such as the lumber company St. Joe. Zuegel says some generated huge returns even on an IRR basis, but warns that basic infrastructure is “astronomical” and a 10% overrun can make the project “sink or swim.”
Because leverage can raise equity returns, an all-equity project must create enough additional value to make up for lost leverage. Zuegel sees a chasm between conventional, debt-funded development and taking a large innovative swing, but expects more comparable examples to draw conservative and institutional capital into the category.
11. Social containers are both coordination technology and go-to-market
Frontier Camp gathers about 120 people working across gene editing, supersonic flight, land-use policy, and other frontiers. Its optimistic unconference context prompted acquaintances who already knew one another’s work to propose a collaboration; six months later they had written papers and expanded each other’s networks. The new ingredient was the purpose-built setting, not the introduction.
The same logic powered a San Francisco community called The Neighborhood: Zuegel’s friend Jason drew a quarter-mile circle and asked friends to move there when they next relocated. Within six months it became the network’s center of gravity. A simple boundary created a Schelling point for people who wanted proximity but could not coordinate it alone.
Zuegel’s “lighthouse approach” is to discuss an obsession publicly until aligned people find her; it helped connect her with a Dutch street designer. She also sought out the National Town Builders Association, whose members build traditional, walkable communities with public spaces and a clear identity.
Her own intellectual method favors challenge over agreement: she joined the Stanford Review because it took ideas seriously despite taboos and because disagreement made truth-seeking more likely. Michael Nielsen likewise reminded her to retain wonder rather than dismissing important places as tourist traps.
For prospective residents, demonstration beats explanation. A previously unconvinced friend spent a week at Edge and finally said, “Oh, I get it”—proof that a town is a “real-life social network” whose value includes the families one’s children might know.
12. The ultimate product is trusted human agency
Zuegel wants Esmeralda to prove a replicable model, lead her team toward many villages or a larger settlement, and inspire copycats by providing an “existence proof.” The personal test is simpler: “I’m building this ’cause I wanna live here,” raise a future family there, and spend her own life in the result.
Her best experience of empowerment followed an antibiotic-resistant hand infection and multiple surgeries. Dr. Mickey and Dr. Buntic treated her as a decision-maker; Dr. Buntic even assembled 12 leading hand experts for a morning-long conference with her. Their kindness lay not only in expertise but in taking her curiosity seriously because “it’s my hand and I want it to work.”
Unlocking potential is nearly a “terminal value” for Zuegel: progress expands life beyond the constraints that once left most people focused on food and survival. She first felt that expansion at six or seven, when her parents trusted her to help care for her younger brother with special needs. The lasting principle is reciprocal: “Empowerment is something that requires trust,” and earning more trust creates capacity for more responsibility.